SEATTLE: "I am both Muslim and Christian"
By Janet I. Tu
Seattle Times religion reporter
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003751274_redding17m.html
June 17, 2007
Shortly after noon on Fridays, the Rev. Ann Holmes Redding ties on a black headscarf, preparing to pray with her Muslim group on First Hill.
On Sunday mornings, Redding puts on the white collar of an Episcopal priest.
She does both, she says, because she's Christian and Muslim.
Redding, who until recently was director of faith formation at St. Mark's Episcopal Cathedral, has been a priest for more than 20 years. Now she's ready to tell people that, for the last 15 months, she's also been a Muslim - drawn to the faith after an introduction to Islamic prayers left her profoundly moved.
Her announcement has provoked surprise and bewilderment in many, raising an obvious question: How can someone be both a Christian and a Muslim?
But it has drawn other reactions too. Friends generally say they support her, while religious scholars are mixed: Some say that, depending on how one interprets the tenets of the two faiths, it is, indeed, possible to be both. Others consider the two faiths mutually exclusive.
"There are tenets of the faiths that are very, very different," said Kurt Fredrickson, director of the doctor of ministry program at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. "The most basic would be: What do you do with Jesus?"
Christianity has historically regarded Jesus as the son of God and God incarnate, both fully human and fully divine. Muslims, though they regard Jesus as a great prophet, do not see him as divine and do not consider him the son of God.
"I don't think it's possible" to be both, Fredrickson said, just like "you can't be a Republican and a Democrat."
Redding, who will begin teaching the New Testament as a visiting assistant professor at Seattle University this fall, has a different analogy: "I am both Muslim and Christian, just like I'm both an American of African descent and a woman. I'm 100 percent both."
Redding doesn't feel she has to resolve all the contradictions. People within one religion can't even agree on all the details, she said. "So why would I spend time to try to reconcile all of Christian belief with all of Islam?
"At the most basic level, I understand the two religions to be compatible. That's all I need."
She says she felt an inexplicable call to become Muslim, and to surrender to God - the meaning of the word "Islam."
"It wasn't about intellect," she said. "All I know is the calling of my heart to Islam was very much something about my identity and who I am supposed to be.
"I could not not be a Muslim."
Redding's situation is highly unusual. Officials at the national Episcopal Church headquarters said they are not aware of any other instance in which a priest has also been a believer in another faith. They said it's up to the local bishop to decide whether such a priest could continue in that role.
Redding's bishop, the Rt. Rev. Vincent Warner, says he accepts Redding as an Episcopal priest and a Muslim, and that he finds the interfaith possibilities exciting. Her announcement, first made through a story in her diocese's newspaper, hasn't caused much controversy yet, he said.
Some local Muslim leaders are perplexed.
Being both Muslim and Christian - "I don't know how that works," said Hisham Farajallah, president of the Islamic Center of Washington.
But Redding has been embraced by leaders at the Al-Islam Center of Seattle, the Muslim group she prays with.
"Islam doesn't say if you're a Christian, you're not a Muslim," said programming director Ayesha Anderson. "Islam doesn't lay it out like that."
Redding believes telling her story can help ease religious tensions, and she hopes it can be a step toward her dream of creating an institute to study Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
"I think this thing that's happened to me can be a sign of hope," she said.
Finding a religion that fit
Redding is 55 and single, with deep brown eyes, dreadlocks and a voice that becomes easily impassioned when talking about faith. She's also a classically trained singer, and has sung at jazz nights at St. Mark's.
The oldest of three girls, Redding grew up in Pennsylvania in a high-achieving, intellectual family. Her father was one of the lawyers who argued the landmark Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court case that desegregated the nation's public schools. Her mother was in the first class of Fulbright scholars.
Though her parents weren't particularly religious, they had her baptized and sent her to an Episcopal Sunday school. She has always sensed that God existed and God loved her, even when things got bleak - which they did.
She experienced racism in schools, was sexually abused and, by the time she was a young adult, was struggling with alcohol addiction; she's been in recovery for 20 years.
Despite those difficulties, she graduated from Brown University, earned master's degrees from two seminaries and received her Ph.D. in New Testament from Union Theological Seminary in New York City. She felt called to the priesthood and was ordained in 1984.
As much as she loves her church, she has always challenged it. She calls Christianity the "world religion of privilege." She has never believed in original sin. And for years she struggled with the nature of Jesus' divinity.
She found a good fit at St. Mark's, coming to the flagship of the Episcopal Church in Western Washington in 2001. She was in charge of programs to form and deepen people's faith until March this year when she was one of three employees laid off for budget reasons. The dean of the cathedral said Redding's exploration of Islam had nothing to do with her layoff.
Ironically, it was at St. Mark's that she first became drawn to Islam.
In fall 2005, a local Muslim leader gave a talk at the cathedral, then prayed before those attending. Redding was moved. As he dropped to his knees and stretched forward against the floor, it seemed to her that his whole body was involved in surrendering to God.
Then in the spring, at a St. Mark's interfaith class, another Muslim leader taught a chanted prayer and led a meditation on opening one's heart. The chanting appealed to the singer in Redding; the meditation spoke to her heart. She began saying the prayer daily.
Around that time, her mother died, and then "I was in a situation that I could not handle by any other means, other than a total surrender to God," she said.
She still doesn't know why that meant she had to become a Muslim. All she knows is "when God gives you an invitation, you don't turn it down."
In March 2006, she said her shahada - the profession of faith - testifying that there is only one God and that Mohammed is his messenger. She became a Muslim.
Before she took the shahada, she read a lot about Islam. Afterward, she learned from local Muslim leaders, including those in Islam's largest denomination - Sunni - and those in the Sufi mystical tradition of Islam. She began praying with the Al-Islam Center, a Sunni group that is predominantly African-American.
There were moments when practicing Islam seemed like coming home.
In Seattle's Episcopal circles, Redding had mixed largely with white people. "To walk into Al-Islam and be reminded that there are more people of color in the world than white people, that in itself is a relief," she said.
She found the discipline of praying five times a day - one of the five pillars of Islam that all Muslims are supposed to follow - gave her the deep sense of connection with God that she yearned for.
It came from "knowing at all times I'm in between prayers." She likens it to being in love, constantly looking forward to having "all these dates with God. ... Living a life where you're remembering God intentionally, consciously, just changes everything."
Friends who didn't know she was practicing Islam told her she glowed.
Aside from the established sets of prayers she recites in Arabic fives times each day, Redding says her prayers are neither uniquely Islamic nor Christian. They're simply her private talks with God or Allah - she uses both names interchangeably. "It's the same person, praying to the same God."
In many ways, she says, "coming to Islam was like coming into a family with whom I'd been estranged. We have not only the same God, but the same ancestor with Abraham."
A shared beginning
Indeed, Islam, Christianity and Judaism trace their roots to Abraham, the patriarch of Judaism who is also considered the spiritual father of all three faiths. They share a common belief in one God, and there are certain similar stories in their holy texts.
But there are many significant differences, too.
Muslims regard the Quran as the unadulterated word of God, delivered through the angel Gabriel to Mohammed. While they believe the Torah and the Gospels include revelations from God, they believe those revelations have been misinterpreted or mishandled by humans.
Most significantly, Muslims and Christians disagree over the divinity of Jesus.
Muslims generally believe in Jesus' virgin birth, that he was a messenger of God, that he ascended to heaven alive and that he will come back at the end of time to destroy evil. They do not believe in the Trinity, in the divinity of Jesus or in his death and resurrection.
For Christians, belief in Jesus' divinity, and that he died on the cross and was resurrected, lie at the heart of the faith, as does the belief that there is one God who consists of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Redding's views, even before she embraced Islam, were more interpretive than literal.
She believes the Trinity is an idea about God and cannot be taken literally.
She does not believe Jesus and God are the same, but rather that God is more than Jesus.
She believes Jesus is the son of God insofar as all humans are the children of God, and that Jesus is divine, just as all humans are divine - because God dwells in all humans.
What makes Jesus unique, she believes, is that out of all humans, he most embodied being filled with God and identifying completely with God's will.
She does believe that Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected, and acknowledges those beliefs conflict with the teachings of the Quran. "That's something I'll find a challenge the rest of my life," she said.
She considers Jesus her savior. At times of despair, because she knows Jesus suffered and overcame suffering, "he has connected me with God," she said.
That's not to say she couldn't develop as deep a relationship with Mohammed. "I'm still getting to know him," she said.
Matter of interpretation
Some religious scholars understand Redding's thinking.
While the popular Christian view is that Jesus is God and that he came to Earth and took on a human body, other Christians believe his divinity means that he embodied the spirit of God in his life and work, said Eugene Webb, professor emeritus of comparative religion at the University of Washington.
Webb says it's possible to be both Muslim and Christian: "It's a matter of interpretation. But a lot of people on both sides do not believe in interpretation. "
Ihsan Bagby, associate professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky, agrees with Webb, and adds that Islam tends to be a little more flexible. Muslims can have faith in Jesus, he said, as long as they believe in Mohammed's message.
Other scholars are skeptical.
"The theological beliefs are irreconcilable," said Mahmoud Ayoub, professor of Islamic studies and comparative religion at Temple University in Philadelphia. Islam holds that God is one, unique, indivisible. "For Muslims to say Jesus is God would be blasphemy."
Frank Spina, an Episcopal priest and also a professor of Old Testament and biblical theology at Seattle Pacific University, puts it bluntly.
"I just do not think this sort of thing works," he said. "I think you have to give up what is essential to Christianity to make the moves that she has done.
"The essence of Christianity was not that Jesus was a great rabbi or even a great prophet, but that he is the very incarnation of the God that created the world.... Christianity stands or falls on who Jesus is."
Spina also says that as priests, he and Redding have taken vows of commitment to the doctrines of the church. "That means none of us get to work out what we think all by ourselves."
Redding knows there are many Christians and Muslims who will not accept her as both.
"I don't care," she says. "They can't take away my baptism." And as she understands it, once she's made her profession of faith to become a Muslim, no one can say she isn't that, either.
While she doesn't rule out that one day she may choose one or the other, it's more likely "that I'm going to be 100 percent Christian and 100 percent Muslim when I die."
Deepened spirituality
These days, Redding usually carries a headscarf with her wherever she goes so she can pray five times a day.
On Fridays, she prays with about 20 others at the Al-Islam Center. On Sundays, she prays in church, usually at St. Clement's of Rome in the Mount Baker neighborhood.
One thing she prays for every day: "I pray not to cause scandal or bring shame upon either of my traditions."
Being Muslim has given her insights into Christianity, she said. For instance, because Islam regards Jesus as human, not divine, it reinforces for her that "we can be like Jesus. There are no excuses."
Doug Thorpe, who served on St. Mark's faith-formation committee with Redding, said he's trying to understand all the dimensions of her faith choices. But he saw how it deepened her spirituality. And it spurred him to read the Quran and think more deeply about his own faith.
He believes Redding is being called. She is, "by her very presence, a bridge person," Thorpe said. "And we desperately need those bridge persons."
In Redding's car, she has hung up a cross she made of clear crystal beads. Next to it, she has dangled a heart-shaped leather object etched with the Arabic symbol for Allah.
"For me, that symbolizes who I am," Redding said. "I look through Jesus and I see Allah."
Copyright 2007 The Seattle Times Company
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| railbirdbc | Posted: 2007/6/17 16:55 Updated: 2007/6/17 16:55 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/6/6 From: Posts: 876 |
My God, where does the Episcopal Church keep digging them up from? Of course, we should not be totally surprised by this rediculous notion that one can be a Christian and a Muslim, a Christian and an atheist, or a Christian and a mass murderer. We've seen it all in the last century with totalitarian states embracing Christianity while murdering millions of helpless people, and with liberal theologians like Tillich speaking about God in impersonal and pantheistic terms of reference, which ended in the "Death of God" theology in the 1960s. But it's only in a spiritually dead church that such nonsense is tolerated. I'll go out on a limb here and state without reservation that Ms. Redding is not a Christian, nor is she anything close to a Christian. Without a Divine and eternal Jesus, who was and did everything the New Testament claims he was and did, then you have no salvation. And where there's the absence of salvation, there's the absence of genuine Biblical Christianity. So, good luck, Ms. Redding! Believing as you do, you're going to need it.
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| Isaac | Posted: 2007/6/17 17:24 Updated: 2007/6/17 17:24 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/3/1 From: Texas Posts: 672 |
Apparently, Ann Holmes Redding has gone mad. But what about the people at Seattle University who hired her to teach, and what about Bishop Vincent Warner?
Sin and stupidity both seem to be running amok. Isaac |
| daveball | Posted: 2007/6/17 17:28 Updated: 2007/6/17 17:28 |
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Once again, and it seems to be a pretty regular occurance these days, when I think I've seen the most ridiculous and idiotic thing that TEC and the Presiding Heretic's minions could do, I am surprised by something even more ridiculous and idiotic.
If TEC had one minute shred of theological integrity, or any integrity of any kind for that matter, Redding would be inhibited, defrocked and caste out in about two seconds but that won't happen, of course. Inhibition and defrocking are reserved for the faithful who are so "unenlightened and un-inclusive" as to preach the gospel and to call out the heresy of TEC. I have a suggestion. If Redding thinks Islam is so wonderful and so inclusive and so uderstanding and that it is possible to be "both Muslim and Christian, go to Saudi Arabia, to Riyadh, stand next to the wall in "chop-chop" square and declare loudly "I am a Muslim and a Christian". It will be a short lesson in what the lovable Muslims use chop-chop square for. This woman belongs in an institution with rubber walls. Yet another example of why WO is a really bad idea. |
| TENTEX | Posted: 2007/6/17 18:13 Updated: 2007/6/17 18:13 |
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Stupid, just stupid.
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| john123 | Posted: 2007/6/17 18:20 Updated: 2007/6/17 18:26 |
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Those of us who are familiar with the workings of the Diocese of Olympia are surprised at nothing.
That Warner finds this development exciting is a given. He finds his present freefall into hell exciting as well. Such is the leadership of this cult. Are there any Christians left in the group centered around St Marks Cathedral. The reader will note that this is the infamous cathedral which is led by a dean who, it seems, cannot live on less than $175,00 a year, or $475.a day, even if a budget shortfall results in three female priests being cut from the payroll, one being within 14 months of pension. And speaking about pay and benefits, in that this women is no longer a Christian, where is her pay comming from? Who is signing the check.? It's all nuts |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2007/6/17 18:46 Updated: 2007/6/17 18:48 |
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Wrong headline. It should not read: "I am both Muslim and Christian." That violates the law of non-contradiction. It should actually read: "I am both Muslim and Episcopalian." No violation as to be a TECie is to be a member of a philosophy club as is apparent from the description of her unsystemic grab bag of beliefs.
She will eventually find out that Mohademism is not pantheistic. In fact, some sects of the religion consider pantheism practiced by an adherent to be a very serious offense. Lord, have mercy. Causidicus |
| Guardian | Posted: 2007/6/17 19:06 Updated: 2007/6/17 19:30 |
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While she doesn't rule out that one day she may choose one or the other, it's more likely "that I'm going to be 100 percent Christian and 100 percent Muslim when I die."
Dave, I have it on good authority that Ms. Redding will shortly be announcing that she has discovered that it is possible for a woman to to be partially pregnant. Do you think she has a burka hanging in her closet? Also, considering the role Islam deligates to women, I wonder how the ladies at St. Mark's church feel about her conversion. Guardian ![]() |
| Guardian | Posted: 2007/6/17 19:23 Updated: 2007/6/17 19:26 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/9/21 From: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 184 |
Being serious for a moment, I seem to recall a VOL article in the distant past that included a comment that TEC candidates for the priesthood or bishop are required to participate in some type of phychological evaluation.
Wouldn't you like to know who administered it and approved her? Guardian ![]() |
| FrankV | Posted: 2007/6/17 19:36 Updated: 2007/6/17 19:36 |
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Now, Now people! Be kind. She will probably be acclaimed the next presiding Bishop and canonized to boot.
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| FrankV | Posted: 2007/6/17 19:39 Updated: 2007/6/17 19:39 |
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I think Anton LaVey lives on in the Episcopal Church.
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| CalAggie | Posted: 2007/6/17 20:26 Updated: 2007/6/17 20:26 |
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As a college student, I'm most offended by the fact she is in a teaching position...
God save Seattle U. |
| JRoss | Posted: 2007/6/17 20:35 Updated: 2007/6/17 20:36 |
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What's the problem here? TEC claims there are other ways to the Father other than Christ who Said very clearly "No one comes to the Father except by ME". She is a Muslim and an Episcopalian, not a Muslim and a Christian. She looks through Jesus and see Allah when she should just look and see Jesus, who is God. She just hijacked Christianity to suit her own needs.
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| ron-k | Posted: 2007/6/17 20:52 Updated: 2007/6/17 20:52 |
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"...She believes the Trinity is an idea about God and cannot be taken literally.
She does not believe Jesus and God are the same, but rather that God is more than Jesus. She believes Jesus is the son of God insofar as all humans are the children of God, and that Jesus is divine, just as all humans are divine - because God dwells in all humans. What makes Jesus unique, she believes, is that out of all humans, he most embodied being filled with God and identifying completely with God's will..." Folks, this is the same old Arian heresy, condemned in 325AD at the Coucil of Nicea. One wonders if Redding remembers anything of her seminary training, or if she recently read the TEC prayer book? Of course the 1979 revision obliterated from the modern language version of the Nicene Creed the concept of "consubstantial" (likely deliberately) by substituting the catholic/orthodox formula "...being of one substance with the Father...", with a semi-Arian fuzzy formula, "...of one being with the Father..." We fight not against flesh and blood... |
| Damascus | Posted: 2007/6/17 21:00 Updated: 2007/6/17 21:00 |
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She believes the Trinity is an idea about God and cannot be taken literally.
She does not believe Jesus and God are the same, but rather that God is more than Jesus. She believes Jesus is the son of God insofar as all humans are the children of God, and that Jesus is divine, just as all humans are divine - because God dwells in all humans. What makes Jesus unique, she believes, is that out of all humans, he most embodied being filled with God and identifying completely with God's will. The question isn't really whether she is a Muslim or a Christian, it is whether she is either. Based on the statements above, she clearly isn't a Christian. And I'm sure if her beliefs were thoroughly analyzed they would be inconsistent with many key elements of Islam. How does that old saying go? "When men stop believing in God, it isn't that they then believe in nothing: they believe in everything." When the Episcopal Church stopped believing in God, it opened the door to people like Ms. Redding. From Pike to Spong to Schori to who knows what's next. While they are busy hounding "heretics" like Bishop Cox out of the Church, the leadership of TEC finds Ms. Redding's near complete repudiation of Christian dogma "exciting." |
| Showmeguy | Posted: 2007/6/17 21:42 Updated: 2007/6/17 21:42 |
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There is nothing coming out of TEC anymore that surprises me. When queers started filling pulpits, I was pretty much taken aback, and when they made one a bishop, that was a real shock. But I guess I've just become totally jaded in the last few years. Let them carry on with their folly and heresy. I'm just glad I am no longer there.
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| jflynt | Posted: 2007/6/17 22:01 Updated: 2007/6/17 22:01 |
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Allah is not God. Islam is not an alternate pathway to God. This is pure BS.
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| chaps | Posted: 2007/6/17 22:04 Updated: 2007/6/17 22:04 |
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Every time I think that TEc can't get any worse, it hits a new low. I guess they will never hit bottom because they have fallen into the bottomless Pit. I wonder how those who are still in TEc can stand it – aren't they beginning to feel some “heat” as TEc approaches its eternal destination?
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| borgy | Posted: 2007/6/17 22:12 Updated: 2007/6/17 22:12 |
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The Presiding Bishop of TEC herself said to believe "none comes to the Father except through me" was "putting God in a very small box." So why should anyone be surprised at Redding's thinking?
This is just another of what I call "outrage of the week." It was one too many of these outrages that lead me to leave TEC on Easter Sunday after 31 years. |
| Neill | Posted: 2007/6/17 23:19 Updated: 2007/6/17 23:19 |
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This is a most disturbing story. If at some point she is brought to the point of acceptance of the truth then she will suffer greatly if she publicly repudiates her dalliance with Islam.
I doubt whether Muslims would truly accept her. When I lived in Pakistan those from a Christian background who wanted to convert would first be required to state that Jesus is not a son of God before being allowed to recite the Shahadat. Rev Ann is clearly a very mixed up person who has been damaged by life and is seeking reality. It is interesting to note that despite her attraction to Islam she cannot bring herself to repudiate Christian teaching altogether. I wonder why not? She seems to find it difficult to commit completely to anything. Quite apart from the issue of WO such a mixed up person should never have been presented for any kind of leadership role in the Church. |
| Neill | Posted: 2007/6/17 23:35 Updated: 2007/6/17 23:35 |
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jflynt,
The experience of genuine converts from Islam is not that they find a new god but that their understanding of the nature of God and their experience of their relationship with God is utterly transformed. As they come to the Father through the Son and experience the sweet communion of the Holy Spirit in their daily lives they come naturally to a Trinitarian understanding of godhead. This is not quite the same as saying that Allah is not God. Bilquis Hussain wrote a beautiful book about her spiritual journey called "I dared to call him Father". The title sums up most converts' experience. From a Christian point of view, therefore, we do not preach an alternative god because there is only one God. We can affirm that the Muslim concept of God is incomplete and deficient: in particular we bear witness to the fact that God chose to reveal himself in the Lord Jesus Christ. |
| quissum | Posted: 2007/6/18 0:10 Updated: 2007/6/18 0:10 |
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What an advanced spirit! Truly a cutting edge example of 'inclusive theology'! Indeed, a classic example of what is possible when postmodernistic 'multiform-truth' thinking is applied, when canons of logic and the Law of Non-Contradiction are denied.
She is fortunate to live in the U.S. where one can still claim something so contrary and not be directly subject to the Sharia law of apostasy. Actually, having confessed the shahada she ipso facto denies the lordship of Christ so--no problem!--she is a Muslim woman with all those advantages. Her comments all confirm this fact. That she is an apostate from Christianity is not likely a matter of concern to Ms. Redding (sorry, don't know her Muslim name). Somehow I think that, as the apostle John says in his first Epistle, she is really one of those who 'went out from us, because they never were really one of us." How very deluded she is--and terribly sad. Another pathetic commentary on the state of TEC. |
| parallax | Posted: 2007/6/18 1:09 Updated: 2007/6/18 1:25 |
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Look at the reasons that this woman converted to Islam:
1. She felt "an inexplicable call to surrender to God" 2. She was impressed by a Muslim dropping to his knees to pray, so "that his whole body was involved in surrendering to God" 3. She was moved by chanting and singing 4. She found the discipline of saying daily prayers "gave her the deep sense of connection with God that she yearned for" 5. She was humbled by wearing a head covering during prayer All of these desires could be satisfied within the context of traditional Anglican practice. Rigorous catechesis, reverent acts of worship (the sign of the cross, kneeling, genuflection, &c.), traditional liturgical choirs, the daily office, and the wearing of a veil would probably have met this woman's spiritual needs. Instead, she turned to Islam for the mystery and discipline she wanted. It is not unimportant either to note that she was introduced to Islam by a Muslim leader who spoke and led prayer at St Mark's Cathedral, and another Muslim leader who taught a class and led prayers there. |
| Rachmnnoff | Posted: 2007/6/18 7:30 Updated: 2007/6/18 7:30 |
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This Irreverend Redding apparently has no concept of the dual nature of Christ - both man and God. If that's the case how does she reconcile the Trinity to Islam?
To see her venture into the Mosque in Meccah, approach the Ka'abah and proclaim that she is both Muslim and Christian - well folks, that'll be one less Ann Redding at the dinner table. |
| Newshound | Posted: 2007/6/18 11:48 Updated: 2007/6/18 11:48 |
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I grew up in a military family. My Dad served almost 30 years in the US Air Force and died of a heart attack on active duty. My father formed boundaries and enforced the law. I think I got spanked once, and the rest of the time all he had to do is look at me. I thank God for a father who expected us to obey the rules. This upbringing caused me to recognize my own sinfulness and accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. Sadly, the Episcopal church has no boundaries such as I had growing up. This has led to confusion which is causing a slow demise.
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| Traktaryan | Posted: 2007/6/18 14:37 Updated: 2007/6/18 14:37 |
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PODUNK: "I am both a square and a circle"
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| Pirate | Posted: 2007/6/18 15:47 Updated: 2007/6/18 15:47 |
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Over the last few years I moved beyond anger to profound sadness. Then to dismay. Now I am merely fascinated at the stupidity of what goes on in the Episcopal Church. What a collection of crazies who have nothing in common but property ownership!
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| sentinel | Posted: 2007/6/18 16:05 Updated: 2007/6/18 16:05 |
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Quote:
Officials at the national Episcopal Church headquarters said they are not aware of any other instance in which a priest has also been a believer in another faith talk about irony... ![]() |
| sentinel | Posted: 2007/6/18 16:09 Updated: 2007/6/18 16:09 |
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You know, if this was mere satire, it would be hillarious.
But since this is all too real, it is sad to see such a confused, hell bound, soul. |
| DomWalk | Posted: 2007/6/20 0:37 Updated: 2007/6/20 0:37 |
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quissim:
Quote: sorry, don't know her Muslim name Per Tim Blair, "Abu Sybil" http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/head_bets_covered/" |
| polyphemos | Posted: 2007/6/20 2:17 Updated: 2007/6/20 2:21 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/6/29 From: και Θηος δη μεχανη Posts: 631 |
It's true. I stick to my truth like a hornytoad in a blender. Round and round and become paste with Jesus and Allah. I have faith that one of my terrorist bretheren will drink me some day on Fear Factor.
eeeeeeeyyyyyyyeeeeewwwwwww! ![]() Hey Lady! Ghandi said it better, and HE was speaking metaphorically. |
| cryaloud | Posted: 2007/6/20 18:54 Updated: 2007/6/20 18:54 |
Just popping in ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/6/20 From: Posts: 1 |
Just like Grape-Nuts, neither grapes nor nuts.
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| quissum | Posted: 2007/6/20 20:03 Updated: 2007/6/20 20:03 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/2/18 From: Posts: 344 |
Thanks for the link, DomWalk. Actually, I think Tim Blair is kidding for, while I studied Arabic too many years ago for comfort, Abu Sybil means "Father of Sybil" and thus not likely for a woman.
May I suggest Um Majnunah which is "Crazy Mother," or perhaps even Um al-Janun, "Mother of Insanity"? Rather reminiscent of "Father of Lies," isn't it? |
| DavidJacks | Posted: 2007/6/22 6:19 Updated: 2007/6/22 6:19 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/4/23 From: Upper Toadtown, California Posts: 108 |
What a hoot!
How can anyone take anything TEC does or says seriously from now on? What a joke. How can anyone even be bothered to pay attention to TEC at all? They are just a freak sideshow these days. What hilarious stupidity will come next? Wasn't there a satire on this site a couple of years ago which is now coming true? |






























